There's a lot of conspiracies on who
really runs [music] the government.
>> after anarchy is an actual government
plan called devolution. The name
devolution is unclassified. The program
is classified. Essentially, secret
government disappears off into a bunch
of bunkers to hunker down so that they
can rebuild the government once
everybody dies. What happens after
anarchy
is an actual government plan called
devolution.
Devolution, pronounced two different
ways depending on who's saying.
Evolution with a D in front of it.
It's
exactly like you would think. Wait,
what? Evolution moving forward?
Devolution is going back. So, it's a
government plan.
The name devolution is unclassified. The
program is classified.
I had the man who wrote signed off on
the last version of it take me right up
Obama's FEMA director, Craig Fugate,
take take take me, you readers, right up
to the edge
of what can legally be known.
That this program exists
so that after anarchy and insurrection
happens, which will, we can get into
why,
a essentially secret government
disappears
off into a bunch of bunkers
called hot sites, warm sites, and cold
sites
to hunker down
so that they can rebuild the government
once everybody dies.
Real real program.
>> I saw that So, who a lot of questions.
So,
who who determines who this who who who
this is?
>> It is a pre-
chosen, pre-designated list of people.
Now, that list is classified. Who is on
that list is classified, how that list
is determined is classified.
But, I'm glad we're talking about this
because let's speculate because that's
all we can do here. I would guess it
certainly changes by administration.
>> Mhm.
>> Right? In other words, the current
president is not going to have a bunch
of
former president Biden's designates go
off and run the government. So, then you
really think about it like, "Wow,
imagine being in that room."
Um deciding, "Okay, who are
Essentially, there's kind of like a
mirror image person of every
high-ranking official because you have
to assume, okay, POTUS could get the
airborne bacteria in his lungs and die.
So, who's going to be
the devolution
POTUS, the national security advisor,
the SecDef, right? So, all of these
individuals and by the way, it's not
just Defense Department. It's health
officials. It's, you know, Supreme Court
justices. It's The government has to
run.
Net So, then
I mean, you have the eyebrow-raising
sigh that I had, which is, "Wow, that's
a lot of plan If there's that much
planning that goes into catastrophe, why
don't we have more public awareness
about
how to not have this happen?"
>> We
We'll get into that discussion. So, it's
called de- devolution.
>> Devolution.
>> And we don't know how often I mean, is
there There's a lot of
conspiracies on who really runs the
government. They're running wild right
now. They ran wild in the last
administration as well. I mean, I don't
probably every administration that
comes.
Uh there'll be this question. You think
there's a possibility that
maybe uh they don't get picked.
Maybe they're the ones that are running
everything.
>> You mean the actual devolution is
already in effect and taking care of
things? I That I don't know. It's
certainly It's certainly an interesting
thought experiment, you know.
Um
I mean, I also think conspiracy theory
is such a bad term. I think it should be
changed to speculative narrative.
>> I love that.
>> Because
I mean
for example
when COVID happened, on top of the WHO
and the CDC saying COVID not airborne
when it was airborne. So, they got the
most basic, most important, most
critical fact wrong. And by the way,
they've never admitted it.
They've just They just quietly changed
the idea that COVID was airborne about a
year later.
>> Mhm.
>> So and the there's that. And then there
was the lab leak component of things,
which separate from what you think about
that,
um
is a real possibility, okay? And yet,
when that was first reported, it was
actually called a conspiracy theory by
major news outlets.
And we know it wasn't a conspiracy
theory. So, why not change that verbage
to speculative narrative? It just takes
everybody way down off the ledge.
You can even say
you know, if you're talking about a You
can say it's a wildly speculative
narrative. But to call something a
conspiracy theory, I think is such
self-righteous indignation and so
potentially dangerous. Because once you
say that, you have a really tough time
walking it back and admitting you're
wrong.
>> Mhm.
>> And that's my idea.
>> created that term, correct?
>> Uh conspiracy theory?
>> I didn't they?
>> I don't I don't know that. I have heard
many different things. I think I would
>> Or is that a speculative narrative?
>> [laughter]
>> Good. Look at that. We changed the
changed the change the thinking and the
way people talk right here and now. On
the Sean Ryan Show podcast.
But do you know what I mean? It gives
room for being wrong. There's something
really
really character building about being
able to keep yourself open to I might be
wrong about this.
And I don't know why it has disappeared
from the government. I just really don't
know. I mean there's a famous JFK quote
after the Bay of Pigs, which was a
failure.
Okay? And JFK said something like, you
know, I'm paraphrasing, like
success has a thousand fathers,
failure is an orphan.
And he was admitting
his mistake in the Bay of Pigs.
The CIA paramilitary attempt at invading
Cuba that failed,
you know, drastically.
>> Mhm.
>> He was admitting
defeat. He was admitting being wrong.
And I think that's
profoundly important. It's part of all
of our personal lives. Certainly mine.
So, I mean, right? You got to be able to
with your kids.
>> I I do it all the time publicly.
I've had to do it two or three times
this year, unfortunately. But, you know,
I think you you you think
you know, it's it's it's that's that's
why we're in the big
distrust era of the government and all
of our institutions and pretty much
everything right now. It's because
nobody has been able to admit wrong.
And, you know, the funny thing is is
you know,
it it it
instantaneously reestablishes your
credibility and even lifts it more
because people realize, "Oh, this person
actually has a moral compass."
This person actually lives by a set of
values.
>> Yes.
And isn't
>> can't say for anybody in government
because they never do. They're They're
They're too proud.
There's too much pride. Pride goeth
before the fall. I mean, I just think
about pride is ego. Um which or the
unhealthy part of ego. Maybe the healthy
part of ego is uncertainty. You know,
being able to say like, you know, I
don't know, but I think it's this.
Um I still cannot I could not get a
straight I'm I'm always trying to get a
straight answer from government
officials on these certain questions
like that. Like asking the CDC, why have
you never admitted you were wrong about,
you know, COVID not airborne. And they
won't They won't go there.
Um
So, people mistrust.
>> You've asked them.
>> I talk a lot about training, nutrition,
and mindset. But if your sleep is off,
you're leaving a lot on the table.
Recovery doesn't happen while you're
grinding. It happens when you're asleep.
That's when your body rebuilds, resets,
and actually absorbs the work you put
in. And one of the biggest factors in
sleep quality is temperature. If you're
too hot, you end up tossing and turning
and not getting deep sleep. That's why I
started using ChiliSleep 2.0 by Sleep
Me. ChiliSleep 2.0 is a water-based
mattress topper that lets you control
your sleep temperature from 55° to 115°.
And it works with the mattress you
already have. I love how simple and
effective it is. Plus, the new version
has a redesigned dock. It's quieter, the
tank is bigger, and the topper unzips,
so it's easy to wash. And the nightstand
remote is huge. Each side of the bed
gets its own thermostat. So, if one
person runs hot and the other runs cold,
you can each set your own temperature.
It even detects when you get into bed
and automatically starts your sleep
schedule. For me, falling asleep and
staying asleep is the whole game.
ChiliPad helps make the room, the bed,
and the temperature work for recovery
instead of against it. Visit
www.sleep.me/srs
to get up to $255
off your ChiliPad 2.0 with code SRS.
This special offer is available for
Shawn Ryan Show listeners and only for a
limited time. Order it today with free
shipping and try it out for 30 days. You
can return it for free if you don't like
it with their sleep trial. Visit
www.sleep
s l e e p dot me slash s r s and see why
cold sleep is your ultimate ally in
performance and recovery.
>> I always ask.
>> What do they say?
>> I mean, usually you get ignored on those
questions, right? They I mean, it's why
I spend so much of my time interviewing
former
SecDef, you know, former Stratcom
commander, former
FEMA chief.
Because once they are out of government,
they're really out of the catbird seat,
which is kind of fair that when you are
in a government position, you have to
tow the party line. You can't really
answer a straight question without going
to 10 press officers and finding out
what you're supposed to say.
And maybe that, you know, is
understandable in some component, but it
also should change because people, I
think, are advancing way beyond that in
their own personal lives. You know, just
the ability to get information on your
fingertips is just so much faster now
than it ever was that the government
needs to adapt to that. You know, we'll
get back to you on answer on that and
then 6 weeks later they're giving you
the answer and the question has already
changed.
>> What about What else about this dev
devolution?
>> Devolution. I mean, it was
>> Was it Was that a surprise to you?
>> Yeah. Yeah. I mean, I've heard that term
referenced, but it's always
it's it's referenced without any
information attached to it because it's
the only thing that's declassified. I
was really kind of stunned that Craig
Fugate was able to really share with me
what he did cuz he signed off on the
2016 version of it, the last day of the
Obama administration. And that is the
set of protocols from which all updates
are made. So, the system hasn't changed.
The names on the list might. Um
but you know, there are other really,
really interesting details I learned
like, okay, so again, spoiler alert,
right? Um
the president
gets moved in the event of a major
biological catastrophe
where people are there is a pathogen
that has a case fatality rate of 100%. I
told you COVID had 1%.
Plague, not bubonic plague, but
pneumonic plague, which is pneumonic
pneumonia, so in the lungs. When plague
goes into the lungs
not bubonic plague, if you get bitten by
a tick, you get bubonic plague.
Your lymph nodes swell up and it, you
know, it
it sort of takes over parts of the body,
your lymph system.
Pneumonic plague in the lungs
100%
case fatality rate.
>> 100%
You get it, you die, unless you take
antibiotics.
You have to take antibiotics within 24
hours, within 24 hours. By the way,
I have one of my major sources on the
book is one of the world's experts on
bubonic plague, pneumonic plague, Dr.
Henry Heim. He was at USAMRIID, which is
at Fort Detrick.
Um studying this for a very long time
until he left. Now he works privately.
So, all of this information is like
fully sourced.
But the big fear, I'm going looping back
to the president here.
Big fear of Defense Department, CDC,
HHS.
All of these organizations would be
involved in a bio event.
Something a pathogen is released, either
a lab leak or an attack. It's airborne.
And it has a case fatality rate of 100%.
Okay? Then I said the medical
countermeasures, how are we going to
stop it? Well, what if it has been
genetically modified to defeat
antibiotics?
>> Uh-huh.
>> Again, sounds like Annie's talking
science fiction. There are plans in
place because this is what is feared.
>> I'm sure there are.
>> In this event, the president I learned
This is like
you know, sometimes you get information
and you go, I got to reverse engineer my
book from that because this is just too
dramatic.
The president
does not get moved to a big bunker like
Raven Rock or Mount Weather.
Any of these command centers we can talk
about if you want more details.
He gets moved to like what's called a
cold site.
Like really far away.
By himself.
It's such a crazy visual.
To think about the president of the
United States with a gas mask. By
himself.
In a room.
His military aide with the nuclear
football out the door outside the door.
And a couple Secret Service agents.
Watching the building.
For how long? I mean, that to me
sounds like science fiction.
>> Uh-huh.
>> To realize it's science fact
is like I got to know about this. And
that's how I work as a reporter. Like,
okay, so how how does that happen?
>> I mean, who who
or there, you know,
>> That's the end of democracy.
>> I'd like to go back a little bit and
talk about maybe the biological
arms race
>> Mhm.
>> before we get to this, but it'll be a
rise But who who do they think they're
going to even govern? You know, I mean,
the trillionaires that are building the
billionaires and and trillionaire that
are building bunkers in Hawaii.
What are they going to do? Come out of
your bunker and do what? Like
What are you going to govern Elon Musk
and Mark Zuckerberg? I don't think so.
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There's a lot of conspiracies on who
really runs [music] the government.
>> after anarchy is an actual government
plan called devolution. The name
devolution is unclassified. The program
is classified. Essentially, secret
government disappears off into a bunch
of bunkers to hunker down so that they
can rebuild the government once
everybody dies. What happens after
anarchy
is an actual government plan called
devolution.
Devolution, pronounced two different
ways depending on who's saying.
Evolution with a D in front of it.
It's
exactly like you would think. Wait,
what? Evolution moving forward?
Devolution is going back. So, it's a
government plan.
The name devolution is unclassified. The
program is classified.
I had the man who wrote signed off on
the last version of it take me right up
Obama's FEMA director, Craig Fugate,
take take take me, you readers, right up
to the edge
of what can legally be known.
That this program exists
so that after anarchy and insurrection
happens, which will, we can get into
why,
a essentially secret government
disappears
off into a bunch of bunkers
called hot sites, warm sites, and cold
sites
to hunker down
so that they can rebuild the government
once everybody dies.
Real real program.
>> I saw that So, who a lot of questions.
So,
who who determines who this who who who
this is?
>> It is a pre-
chosen, pre-designated list of people.
Now, that list is classified. Who is on
that list is classified, how that list
is determined is classified.
But, I'm glad we're talking about this
because let's speculate because that's
all we can do here. I would guess it
certainly changes by administration.
>> Mhm.
>> Right? In other words, the current
president is not going to have a bunch
of
former president Biden's designates go
off and run the government. So, then you
really think about it like, "Wow,
imagine being in that room."
Um deciding, "Okay, who are
Essentially, there's kind of like a
mirror image person of every
high-ranking official because you have
to assume, okay, POTUS could get the
airborne bacteria in his lungs and die.
So, who's going to be
the devolution
POTUS, the national security advisor,
the SecDef, right? So, all of these
individuals and by the way, it's not
just Defense Department. It's health
officials. It's, you know, Supreme Court
justices. It's The government has to
run.
Net So, then
I mean, you have the eyebrow-raising
sigh that I had, which is, "Wow, that's
a lot of plan If there's that much
planning that goes into catastrophe, why
don't we have more public awareness
about
how to not have this happen?"
>> We
We'll get into that discussion. So, it's
called de- devolution.
>> Devolution.
>> And we don't know how often I mean, is
there There's a lot of
conspiracies on who really runs the
government. They're running wild right
now. They ran wild in the last
administration as well. I mean, I don't
probably every administration that
comes.
Uh there'll be this question. You think
there's a possibility that
maybe uh they don't get picked.
Maybe they're the ones that are running
everything.
>> You mean the actual devolution is
already in effect and taking care of
things? I That I don't know. It's
certainly It's certainly an interesting
thought experiment, you know.
Um
I mean, I also think conspiracy theory
is such a bad term. I think it should be
changed to speculative narrative.
>> I love that.
>> Because
I mean
for example
when COVID happened, on top of the WHO
and the CDC saying COVID not airborne
when it was airborne. So, they got the
most basic, most important, most
critical fact wrong. And by the way,
they've never admitted it.
They've just They just quietly changed
the idea that COVID was airborne about a
year later.
>> Mhm.
>> So and the there's that. And then there
was the lab leak component of things,
which separate from what you think about
that,
um
is a real possibility, okay? And yet,
when that was first reported, it was
actually called a conspiracy theory by
major news outlets.
And we know it wasn't a conspiracy
theory. So, why not change that verbage
to speculative narrative? It just takes
everybody way down off the ledge.
You can even say
you know, if you're talking about a You
can say it's a wildly speculative
narrative. But to call something a
conspiracy theory, I think is such
self-righteous indignation and so
potentially dangerous. Because once you
say that, you have a really tough time
walking it back and admitting you're
wrong.
>> Mhm.
>> And that's my idea.
>> created that term, correct?
>> Uh conspiracy theory?
>> I didn't they?
>> I don't I don't know that. I have heard
many different things. I think I would
>> Or is that a speculative narrative?
>> [laughter]
>> Good. Look at that. We changed the
changed the change the thinking and the
way people talk right here and now. On
the Sean Ryan Show podcast.
But do you know what I mean? It gives
room for being wrong. There's something
really
really character building about being
able to keep yourself open to I might be
wrong about this.
And I don't know why it has disappeared
from the government. I just really don't
know. I mean there's a famous JFK quote
after the Bay of Pigs, which was a
failure.
Okay? And JFK said something like, you
know, I'm paraphrasing, like
success has a thousand fathers,
failure is an orphan.
And he was admitting
his mistake in the Bay of Pigs.
The CIA paramilitary attempt at invading
Cuba that failed,
you know, drastically.
>> Mhm.
>> He was admitting
defeat. He was admitting being wrong.
And I think that's
profoundly important. It's part of all
of our personal lives. Certainly mine.
So, I mean, right? You got to be able to
with your kids.
>> I I do it all the time publicly.
I've had to do it two or three times
this year, unfortunately. But, you know,
I think you you you think
you know, it's it's it's that's that's
why we're in the big
distrust era of the government and all
of our institutions and pretty much
everything right now. It's because
nobody has been able to admit wrong.
And, you know, the funny thing is is
you know,
it it it
instantaneously reestablishes your
credibility and even lifts it more
because people realize, "Oh, this person
actually has a moral compass."
This person actually lives by a set of
values.
>> Yes.
And isn't
>> can't say for anybody in government
because they never do. They're They're
They're too proud.
There's too much pride. Pride goeth
before the fall. I mean, I just think
about pride is ego. Um which or the
unhealthy part of ego. Maybe the healthy
part of ego is uncertainty. You know,
being able to say like, you know, I
don't know, but I think it's this.
Um I still cannot I could not get a
straight I'm I'm always trying to get a
straight answer from government
officials on these certain questions
like that. Like asking the CDC, why have
you never admitted you were wrong about,
you know, COVID not airborne. And they
won't They won't go there.
Um
So, people mistrust.
>> You've asked them.
>> I talk a lot about training, nutrition,
and mindset. But if your sleep is off,
you're leaving a lot on the table.
Recovery doesn't happen while you're
grinding. It happens when you're asleep.
That's when your body rebuilds, resets,
and actually absorbs the work you put
in. And one of the biggest factors in
sleep quality is temperature. If you're
too hot, you end up tossing and turning
and not getting deep sleep. That's why I
started using ChiliSleep 2.0 by Sleep
Me. ChiliSleep 2.0 is a water-based
mattress topper that lets you control
your sleep temperature from 55° to 115°.
And it works with the mattress you
already have. I love how simple and
effective it is. Plus, the new version
has a redesigned dock. It's quieter, the
tank is bigger, and the topper unzips,
so it's easy to wash. And the nightstand
remote is huge. Each side of the bed
gets its own thermostat. So, if one
person runs hot and the other runs cold,
you can each set your own temperature.
It even detects when you get into bed
and automatically starts your sleep
schedule. For me, falling asleep and
staying asleep is the whole game.
ChiliPad helps make the room, the bed,
and the temperature work for recovery
instead of against it. Visit
www.sleep.me/srs
to get up to $255
off your ChiliPad 2.0 with code SRS.
This special offer is available for
Shawn Ryan Show listeners and only for a
limited time. Order it today with free
shipping and try it out for 30 days. You
can return it for free if you don't like
it with their sleep trial. Visit
www.sleep
s l e e p dot me slash s r s and see why
cold sleep is your ultimate ally in
performance and recovery.
>> I always ask.
>> What do they say?
>> I mean, usually you get ignored on those
questions, right? They I mean, it's why
I spend so much of my time interviewing
former
SecDef, you know, former Stratcom
commander, former
FEMA chief.
Because once they are out of government,
they're really out of the catbird seat,
which is kind of fair that when you are
in a government position, you have to
tow the party line. You can't really
answer a straight question without going
to 10 press officers and finding out
what you're supposed to say.
And maybe that, you know, is
understandable in some component, but it
also should change because people, I
think, are advancing way beyond that in
their own personal lives. You know, just
the ability to get information on your
fingertips is just so much faster now
than it ever was that the government
needs to adapt to that. You know, we'll
get back to you on answer on that and
then 6 weeks later they're giving you
the answer and the question has already
changed.
>> What about What else about this dev
devolution?
>> Devolution. I mean, it was
>> Was it Was that a surprise to you?
>> Yeah. Yeah. I mean, I've heard that term
referenced, but it's always
it's it's referenced without any
information attached to it because it's
the only thing that's declassified. I
was really kind of stunned that Craig
Fugate was able to really share with me
what he did cuz he signed off on the
2016 version of it, the last day of the
Obama administration. And that is the
set of protocols from which all updates
are made. So, the system hasn't changed.
The names on the list might. Um
but you know, there are other really,
really interesting details I learned
like, okay, so again, spoiler alert,
right? Um
the president
gets moved in the event of a major
biological catastrophe
where people are there is a pathogen
that has a case fatality rate of 100%. I
told you COVID had 1%.
Plague, not bubonic plague, but
pneumonic plague, which is pneumonic
pneumonia, so in the lungs. When plague
goes into the lungs
not bubonic plague, if you get bitten by
a tick, you get bubonic plague.
Your lymph nodes swell up and it, you
know, it
it sort of takes over parts of the body,
your lymph system.
Pneumonic plague in the lungs
100%
case fatality rate.
>> 100%
You get it, you die, unless you take
antibiotics.
You have to take antibiotics within 24
hours, within 24 hours. By the way,
I have one of my major sources on the
book is one of the world's experts on
bubonic plague, pneumonic plague, Dr.
Henry Heim. He was at USAMRIID, which is
at Fort Detrick.
Um studying this for a very long time
until he left. Now he works privately.
So, all of this information is like
fully sourced.
But the big fear, I'm going looping back
to the president here.
Big fear of Defense Department, CDC,
HHS.
All of these organizations would be
involved in a bio event.
Something a pathogen is released, either
a lab leak or an attack. It's airborne.
And it has a case fatality rate of 100%.
Okay? Then I said the medical
countermeasures, how are we going to
stop it? Well, what if it has been
genetically modified to defeat
antibiotics?
>> Uh-huh.
>> Again, sounds like Annie's talking
science fiction. There are plans in
place because this is what is feared.
>> I'm sure there are.
>> In this event, the president I learned
This is like
you know, sometimes you get information
and you go, I got to reverse engineer my
book from that because this is just too
dramatic.
The president
does not get moved to a big bunker like
Raven Rock or Mount Weather.
Any of these command centers we can talk
about if you want more details.
He gets moved to like what's called a
cold site.
Like really far away.
By himself.
It's such a crazy visual.
To think about the president of the
United States with a gas mask. By
himself.
In a room.
His military aide with the nuclear
football out the door outside the door.
And a couple Secret Service agents.
Watching the building.
For how long? I mean, that to me
sounds like science fiction.
>> Uh-huh.
>> To realize it's science fact
is like I got to know about this. And
that's how I work as a reporter. Like,
okay, so how how does that happen?
>> I mean, who who
or there, you know,
>> That's the end of democracy.
>> I'd like to go back a little bit and
talk about maybe the biological
arms race
>> Mhm.
>> before we get to this, but it'll be a
rise But who who do they think they're
going to even govern? You know, I mean,
the trillionaires that are building the
billionaires and and trillionaire that
are building bunkers in Hawaii.
What are they going to do? Come out of
your bunker and do what? Like
What are you going to govern Elon Musk
and Mark Zuckerberg? I don't think so.
No matter where you're watching The Sean
Ryan Show from, if you get anything out
of this at all, anything, please like,
comment, and subscribe.
And most importantly, share this
everywhere you possibly can. And if
you're feeling extra generous, head to
Apple Podcast and Spotify and leave us a
review.