Herbert Walker was the guy that, um, Hal put off, uh, and a bunch of these scientists. He He brought them together and said, "We have recovered a crashed UFO on more than one occasion, and we have a back-engineering program, and we're considering disclosure to the American people. I want you to list the positives of the positive impact to society and the negatives." Yeah. And they did it with a quite a few different scientists, and they all had more negatives than positives. >> To if they came out with this information, to share this information, what would be the effect on society? >> Yes. >> More negatives than positives? >> More negatives than positives positives. >> Because >> disruption of religion, government, economy. >> Well, I mean, depends >> I understand how it does. I just don't >> Depends on your religion. You know, um, and it depends on where these things are from and what what is happening. What do we know? >> Ezekiel has golden chariots from the sky. >> Exactly. Yeah, and a wheel within a wheel. Yeah, the Ezekiel stuff sounds like a UFO encounter. And it's not the only version of that in ancient texts. In the In the ancient Hindu texts, they have Vimanas, these things that are flying through the sky. Like, what is What are those things? You know, in the Rigveda. In the Even in the Bhagavad Gita, they There's There's all these depictions of these things that sound like you're talking about a spaceship or at the very least some kind of technology. Like, what And this thing about the Nephilim, like that the the gods mated with women and created men who were monstrous. Boy, doesn't that sound like aliens came down and genetically manipulated primates and created human beings? That's That's a a version of it that you could imply from the text. It's all really weird stuff, man. Like, really weird. If you If you If you found out that that was all true, it would probably change everything about society. And this is what Herbert Walker and those guys decided after So, Hal Puthoff was explaining it to me on the podcast, like how they put a numerical value to each thing. I'm like >> Right. >> were that close? >> Like imagine if that happened This is 1990. >> Right. Now, correct me if I'm wrong, but these kind of really weird things, as you put them, they excite you more than they give you fear. That'd be fair? >> Yeah. I mean >> I mean you seem excited. You get excited about different possibilities. >> Yes. >> I mean you know, I have people go, "Oh, man, no, Rogan loves these conspiracy theories." Like I don't see him liking the conspiracy theories. I see him always being interested in an alternate way something went down and being interested and excited about that, but not going No, no, no, no, no, no, never disengaging from it and going, "No way. No, no, cuz I believe how it was and what I read and that's how it is." That That should not That's not what where you're moving from. >> No. It's never a denial of information and facts. And it's also a recognition that often times a large swath of society just goes with a narrative without having any real understanding of what the the actual facts behind it are. And then there's that term, this pejorative term, conspiracy theory. The problem with that, calling someone a conspiracy theorist, is conspiracies are real. Like there's a lot of evidence. And if you want to sit down, I could [ __ ] show you a ton of them. And And so, anybody who says like, "Oh, you're a conspiracy theorist." I