sor at Stanford, he's a professor in the in in the What is his forensics? Is that what his He does cancer research, but what is his actual title? Stanford School of Medicine Professor. Anyway, rock-solid credentials, published, and people brought him this material and they said, "Could would you analyze this? Cuz you know all these different scientists." And endowed chair Department of Pathology, Stanford School of Medicine. So, when a guy like that is saying, "No, this is a composition of this piece of wreckage that you can't make here." They they found a type of alloy that doesn't exist on Earth and it has on an atomic level layers upon layers of whatever this alloy is. He's like, "This is cost billions of dollars to create." And they found it in 1970. Like, in 1970, no one had this. This is it's not possible to make. Like, maybe you could make it today, but we don't have the equipment to make it today. You could conceive how someone with enough resources could have that money today to do something like that, but it would be an enormous undertaking. >> Yeah. >> And this is a piece of craft that someone found from 1976. So, when a guy like that is telling you like "I'm not saying what it is. I'm not saying where it's from, but I'm saying this is [ __ ] crazy." >> Yeah, and it doesn't add up to what we could practically do. >> But the question is like, why would we assume that it's a biological entity? It's it doesn't have any windows. It's this round thing that looks like a Tic Tac. If there is some sort of advanced propulsion system, some some revolutionary way of moving through space and time that the US government has developed, you know, in some black ops program, that seems very likely and possible. That seems more likely than aliens visiting us. But there's more than one incident and there's a lot of these things and the possibility of alien life in the universe, although we've never experienced it, seems rational. It seems very rational and if you were going to study an emerging civilization that is both primitive and warlike and yet insanely technologically advanced to the point where they have nuclear weapons, they could transmit video through the sky, they have propaganda, they have tracking of their citizens, like that's us. That's us right now. And while we are these territorial primal beings with [ __ ] nuclear weapons, this would be a good time to start exposing yourself and to stop this nonsense. And look, the reason why we named the rooms of our club Fat Man and Little Boy is because in UFO lore, that's when they started showing up. After the detonation of the atomic bombs in Japan, that's when the UFO sightings ramped up. >> And they ramped up mostly in the US, right? >> Yes. >> So that's interesting cuz the US was the one was the nuclear power, so. >> And we were the one who was doing a lot of [ __ ] testing. >> Yeah. >> You know, and also we have all these military bases. Who the [ __ ] has more military bases than us? Who has more nuclear weapons pointed at other people than us? We're we have them all over the place and there's all these multiple sightings and eyewitness accounts of like very credible people who say these things have hovered over military bases. >> It'd be pretty cool if these aliens were benevolent overlords and they were like, "Hey my children." >> Yeah, or maybe even so advanced intellectually that the concept of an overlord is preposterous and they're just biological management. They're just There's just they're gardeners tending to make sure the weeds don't get out of hand and just like let this process continue to play itself out cuz this process of technological innovation is it's the everything that humans do. >> Yeah. >> It's what we do at the pinnacle of our creation is we make better technology. >> Well, I always wonder about fractals and whether or not like this idea of this being a simulation, this being, you know, uh like we are we are kind of replicating we are creating machines and doing our best to create them in our own image, right? >> Yes. >> And that's interesting. You know, that's because our the the mythologies that we subscribe to are the idea that this God that we pray to made us in his image. And we're doing the same thing now with robots and and computers. And that's an interesting thing that we see that do seem to have this sort of um paradigm. >> Mhm. >> This this this idea that that um that's the scaffolding for the way we think, right? And to what end? And and why are we doing that? >> Maybe it's the creation of our own life form. >> But has it already happened? Are we are we the result of that that um impulse that happened way longer a long time ago? >> I think we are the shit-throwing chimps that are going to become the nuclear physicist. >> That's what I >> We are the shit-throwing chimps from 2001 that become Oppenheimer. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. And then I think this thing that we become is integrated with technology. It's probably some sort